I gave them a 4 only because I think the belt loops need to be thicker. I carry a gun so more belt loops or thicker ones would work better, I ordered the same size that I where in jeens. I actualy should have gone with the relaxed fit as I am 68" and 230, so I find them a bit tight in the theigh. If I was not 50 lbs over weight they would be pefect.
